I cannot help wishing sometimes that
English people had more theories about conversation.
Really good talk is one of the greatest pleasures
there is, and yet how rarely one comes across it!
There are a good many people among my acquaintance
who on occasions are capable of talking well.
But what they seem to lack is initiative, and deliberate
purpose. If people would only look upon conversation
in a more serious light, much would be gained.
I do not of course mean, Heaven forbid! that people
should try to converse seriously; that results in the
worst kind of dreariness, in feeling, as Stevenson
said, that one has the brain of a sheep and the eyes
of a boiled codfish. But I mean that the more
seriously one takes an amusement, the more amusing
it becomes. What I wish is that people would
apply the same sort of seriousness to talk that they
apply to golf and bridge; that they should desire to
improve their game, brood over their mistakes, try
to do better. Why is it that so many people would
think it priggish and effeminate to try to improve
their talk, and yet think it manly and rational to
try to shoot better? Of course it must be done
with a natural zest and enjoyment, or it is useless.
What a ghastly picture one gets of the old-fashioned
talkers and wits, committing a number of subjects
to memory, turning over a commonplace book for apposite
anecdotes and jests, adding dates to those selected
that they may not tell the same story again too soon,
learning up a list of epigrams, stuck in a shaving-glass,
when they are dressing for dinner, and then sallying
forth primed to bursting with conversation! It
is all very well to know beforehand the kind of line
you would wish to take, but spontaneity is a necessary
ingredient of talk, and to make up one’s mind
to get certain stories in, is to deprive talk of its
fortuitous charm. When two celebrated talkers
of the kind that I have described used to meet, the
talk was nothing but a smart interchange of anecdotes.
There is a story of Macaulay and some other great
conversationalist getting into the swing at breakfast
when staying, I think, with Lord Lansdowne. They
drew their chairs to the fire, the rest of the company
formed a circle round them, and listened meekly to
the dialogue until luncheon. What an appalling
picture! One sympathizes with Carlyle on the
occasion when he was asked to dinner to meet a great
talker, who poured forth a continuous flow of jest
and anecdote until the meal was far advanced.
Then came a lull; Carlyle laid down his knife and
fork, and looking round with the famous “crucified”
expression on his face, said in a voice of agonized
entreaty, “For God’s sake take me away,
and put me in a room by myself, and give me a pipe
of tobacco!” He felt, as I have felt on such
occasions, an imperative need of silence and recollection
and repose. Indeed, as he said on another occasion,
of one of Coleridge’s harangues, “to sit
still and be pumped into is never an exhilarating
process.”
That species of talker is, however,
practically extinct; though indeed I have met men
whose idea of talk was a string of anecdotes, and who
employed the reluctant intervals of silence imposed
upon them by the desperate attempt of fellow-guests
to join in the fun, in arranging the points of their
next anecdote.
What seems to me so odd about a talker
of that kind is the lack of any sense of justice about
his talk. He presumably enjoys the exercise of
speech, and it seems to me strange that it should not
occur to him that others may like it too, and that
he should not concede a certain opportunity to others
to have their say, if only in the interests of fair
play. It is as though a gourmet’s satisfaction
in a good dinner were not complete unless he could
prevent every one else from partaking of the food
before them.
What is really most needed in social
gatherings is a kind of moderator of the talk, an
informal president. Many people, as I have said,
are quite capable of talking interestingly, if they
get a lead. The perfect moderator should have
a large stock of subjects of general interest.
He should, so to speak, kick-off. And then he
should either feel, or at least artfully simulate,
an interest in other people’s point of view.
He should ask questions, reply to arguments, encourage,
elicit expressions of opinion. He should not
desire to steer his own course, but follow the line
that the talk happens to take. If he aims at the
reputation of being a good talker, he will win a far
higher fame by pursuing this course; for it is a lamentable
fact that, after a lively talk, one is apt to remember
far better what one has oneself contributed to the
discussion than what other people have said; and if
you can send guests away from a gathering feeling that
they have talked well, they will be disposed in that
genial mood to concede conversational merit to the
other participators. A naïve and simple-minded
friend of my own once cast an extraordinary light on
the subject, by saying to me, the day after an agreeable
symposium at my own house, “We had a very pleasant
evening with you yesterday. I was in great form”!
The only two kinds of talker that
I find tiresome are the talker of paradoxes and the
egotist. A few paradoxes are all very well; they
are stimulating and gently provocative. But one
gets tired of a string of them; they become little
more than a sort of fence erected round a man’s
mind; one despairs of ever knowing what a paradoxical
talker really thinks. Half the charm of good
talk consists in the glimpses and peeps one gets into
the stuff of a man’s thoughts; and it is wearisome
to feel that a talker is for ever tossing subjects
on his horns, perpetually trying to say the unexpected,
the startling thing. In the best talk of all,
a glade suddenly opens up, like the glades in the
Alpine forests through which they bring the timber
down to the valley; one sees a long green vista, all
bathed in shimmering sunshine, with the dark head
of a mountain at the top. So in the best talk
one has a sudden sight of something high, sweet, serious,
austere.
The other kind of talk that I find
very disagreeable is the talk of a full-fledged egotist,
who converses without reference to his hearers, and
brings out what is in his mind. One gets interesting
things in this way from time to time; but the essence,
as I have said, of good talk is that one should have
provoking and stimulating peeps into other minds,
not that one should be compelled to gaze and stare
into them. I have a friend, or rather an acquaintance,
whose talk is just as if he opened a trap-door into
his mind: you look into a dark place where something
flows, stream or sewer; sometimes it runs clear and
brisk, but at other times it seems to be charged with
dirt and debris; and yet there is no escape; you have
to stand and look, to breathe the very odours of the
mind, until he chooses to close the door.
The mistake that many earnest and
persevering talkers make is to suppose that to be
engrossed is the same thing as being engrossing.
It is true of conversation as of many other things,
that the half is better than the whole. People
who are fond of talking ought to beware of being lengthy.
How one knows the despair of conversing with a man
who is determined to make a clear and complete statement
of everything, and not to let his hearer off anything!
Arguments, questions, views, rise in the mind in the
course of the harangue, and are swept away by the
moving stream. Such talkers suffer from a complacent
feeling that their information is correct and complete,
and that their deductions are necessarily sound.
But it is quite possible to form and hold a strong
opinion, and yet to realize that it is after all only
one point of view, and that there is probably much
to be said on the other side. The unhappiest
feature of drifting into a habit of positive and continuous
talk is that one has few friends faithful enough to
criticise such a habit and tell one the unvarnished
truth; if the habit is once confirmed, it becomes
almost impossible to break it off. I know of
a family conclave that was once summoned, in order,
if possible, to communicate the fact to one of the
circle that he was in danger of becoming a bore; the
head of the family was finally deputed to convey the
fact as delicately as possible to the erring brother.
He did so, with much tender circumlocution. The
offender was deeply mortified, but endeavoured to
thank his elderly relative for discharging so painful
a task. He promised amendment. He sate glum
and tongue-tied for several weeks in the midst of
cheerful gatherings. Very gradually the old habit
prevailed. Within six months he was as tedious
as ever; but what is the saddest part of the whole
business is that he has never quite forgiven the teller
of the unwelcome news, while at the same time he labours
under the impression that he has cured himself of the
habit.
It is, of course, useless to attempt
to make oneself into a brilliant talker, because the
qualities needed - humour, quickness, the
power of seeing unexpected connections, picturesque
phrasing, natural charm, sympathy, readiness, and
so forth - are things hardly attainable by
effort. But much can be done by perseverance;
and it is possible to form a deliberate habit of conversation
by determining that however much one may be indisposed
to talk, however unpromising one’s companions
may seem, one will at all events keep up an end.
I have known really shy and unready persons who from
a sheer sense of duty have made themselves into very
tolerable talkers. A friend of my acquaintance
confesses that a device she has occasionally employed
is to think of subjects in alphabetical order.
I could not practise this device myself, because when
I had lighted upon, we will say, algebra, archery,
and astigmatism, as possible subjects for talk, I should
find it impossible to invent any gambit by which they
could be successfully introduced.
The only recipe which I would offer
to a student of the art is not to be afraid of apparent
egotism, but to talk frankly of any subject in which
he may be interested, from a personal point of view.
An impersonal talker is apt to be a dull dog.
There is nothing like a frank expression of personal
views to elicit an equally frank expression of divergence
or agreement. Neither is it well to despise the
day of small things; the weather, railway travelling,
symptoms of illness, visits to a dentist, sea-sickness,
as representing the universal experiences and interests
of humanity, will often serve as points d’appui.
Of course there come to all people
horrible tongue-tied moments when they can think of
nothing to say, and, feel like a walrus on an ice-floe,
heavy, melancholy, ineffective. Such a catastrophe
is almost invariably precipitated in my own case by
being told that some one is particularly anxious to
be introduced to me. A philosopher of my acquaintance,
who was an admirable talker, told me that on a certain
occasion, an evening party, his hostess led up a young
girl to him, like Iphigenia decked for the sacrifice,
and said that Miss - was desirous
of meeting him. The world became instantly a blank
to him. The enthusiastic damsel stared at him
with large admiring eyes. After a period of agonized
silence, a remark occurred to him which he felt might
have been appropriate if it had been made earlier in
the encounter. He rejected it as useless, and
after another interval a thought came to him which
he saw might have served, if the suspense had not
been already so prolonged; this was also put aside;
and after a series of belated remarks had occurred
to him, each of which seemed to be hopelessly unworthy
of the expectation he had excited, the hostess, seeing
that things had gone wrong, came, like Artemis, and
led Iphigenia away, without the philosopher having
had the opportunity of indulging in a single reflection.
The experience, he said, was of so appalling a character,
that he set to, and invented a remark which he said
was applicable to persons of all ages and of either
sex, under any circumstances whatever; but, as he
would never reveal this precious possession to the
most ardent inquirers, the secret, whatever it was,
has perished with him.
One of my friends has a perfectly
unique gift of conversation. He is a prominent
man of affairs, a perfect mine of political secrets.
He is a ready talker, and has the art, both in a tete-a-tete
as well as in a mixed company, of mentioning things
which are extremely interesting, and appear to be
hopelessly indiscreet. He generally accompanies
his relation of these incidents with a request that
the subject may not be mentioned outside. The
result is that every one who is brought into contact
with him feels that he is selected by the great man
because of some happy gift of temperament, trustworthiness,
or discretion, or even on grounds of personal importance,
to be the recipient of this signal mark of confidence.
On one occasion I endeavoured, after one of these
conversations, not for the sake of betraying him, but
in the interests of a diary which I keep, to formulate
in precise and permanent terms some of this interesting
intelligence. To my intense surprise and disappointment,
I found myself entirely unable to recollect, much less
to express, any of his statements. They had melted
in the mind, like some delicate confection, and left
behind them nothing but a faint aroma of interest
and pleasure.
This would be a dangerous example
to imitate, because it requires a very subtle species
of art to select incidents and episodes which should
both gratify the hearers, and which at the same time
it should be impossible to hand on. Most people
who attempted such a task would sink into being miserable
blabbers of tacenda, mere sieves through which matters
of secret importance would granulate into the hands
of ardent journalists. But at once to stimulate
and gratify curiosity, and to give a quiet circle
the sense of being admitted to the inmost penetralia
of affairs, is a triumph of conversational art.
Dr. Johnson used to say that he loved
to stretch his legs and have his talk out; and the
fact remains that the best conversation one gets is
the conversation that one does not scheme for, and
even on occasions from which one has expected but
little. The talks that remain in my mind as of
pre-eminent interest are long leisurely tete-a-tete
talks, oftenest perhaps of all in the course of a
walk, when exercise sends the blood coursing through
the brain, when a pleasant countryside tunes the spirit
to a serene harmony of mood, and when the mind, stimulated
into a joyful readiness by association with some quiet,
just, and perceptive companion, visits its dusty warehouse,
and turns over its fantastic stores. Then is
the time to penetrate into the inmost labyrinths of
a subject, to indulge in pleasing discursiveness, as
the fancy leads one, and yet to return again and again
with renewed relish to the central theme. Such
talks as these, with no overshadowing anxiety upon
the mind, held on breezy uplands or in pleasant country
lanes, make the moments, indeed, to which the mind,
in the sad mood which remembers the days that are
gone, turns with that sorrowful desolation of which
Dante speaks, as to a treasure lightly spent and ungratefully
regarded. How such hours rise up before the mind!
Even now as I write I think of such a scene, when
I walked with a friend, long dead, on the broad yellow
sands beside a western sea. I can recall the
sharp hiss of the shoreward wind, the wholesome savours
of the brine, the soft clap of small waves, the sand-dunes
behind the shore, pricked with green tufts of grass,
the ships moving slowly on the sea’s rim, and
the shadowy headland to which we hardly seemed to draw
more near, while we spoke of all that was in our hearts,
and all that we meant to do and be. That day
was a great gift from God; and yet, as I received
it, I did not know how fair a jewel of memory it would
be. I like to think that there are many such
jewels of recollection clasped close in the heart’s
casket, even in the minds of men and women that I meet,
that seem so commonplace to me, so interesting to themselves!
It is strange, in reflecting about
the memorable talks I have held with different people,
to find that I remember best the talks that I have
had with men, rather than with women. There is
a kind of simple openness, an equal comradeship in
talks with men, which I find it difficult to attain
in the case of women. I suppose that some unsuspected
mystery of sex creeps in, and that with women there
is a whole range of experiences and emotions that
one does not share, so that there is an invisible
and intangible barrier erected between the two minds.
I feel, too, in talking with women, that I am met with
almost too much sympathy and tact, so that one falls
into an egotistical mood. It is difficult, too,
I find, to be as frank in talking with women as with
men; because I think that women tend more than men
to hold a preconceived idea of one’s character
and tastes; and it is difficult to talk simply and
naturally to any one who has formed a mental picture
of one, especially if one is aware that it is not
correct. But men are slower to form impressions,
and thus talk is more experimental; moreover, in talking
with men, one encounters more opposition, and opposition
puts one more on one’s mettle.
Thus a tete-a-tete with a man of similar
tastes, who is just and yet sympathetic, critical
yet appreciative, whose point of view just differs
enough to make it possible for him to throw sidelights
on a subject, and to illumine aspects of it that were
unperceived and neglected - this is a high
intellectual pleasure, a potion to be delicately sipped
at leisure.
But after all it is impossible to
say what makes a conversationalist. There are
people who seem to possess every qualification for
conversing except the power to converse. The
two absolutely essential things are, in the first
place, a certain charm of mind and even manner, which
is a purely instinctive gift; and, in the second place,
real sympathy with, real interest in the deuteragonist.
People can be useful talkers, even
interesting talkers, without these gifts. One
may like to hear what a man of vigorous mind may have
to say on a subject that he knows well, even if he
is unsympathetic. But then one listens in a receptive
frame of mind, as though one were prepared to attend
a lecture. There are plenty of useful talkers
at a University, men whom it is a pleasure to meet
occasionally, men with whom one tries, so to speak,
a variety of conversational flies, and who will give
one fine sport when they are fairly hooked. But
though a University is a place where one ought to
expect to find abundance of the best talk, the want
of leisure among the present generation of Dons is
a serious bar to interesting talk. By the evening
the majority of Dons are apt to be tired. They
have been hard at work most of the day, and they look
upon the sociable evening hours as a time to be given
up to what the Scotch call “daffing”;
that is to say, a sort of nimble interchange of humorous
or interesting gossip; a man who pursues a subject
intently is apt to be thought a bore. I think
that the middle-aged Don is apt to be less interesting
than either the elderly or the youthful Don.
The middle-aged Don is, like all successful professional
men, full to the brim of affairs. He has little
time for general reading. He lectures, he attends
meetings, his table is covered with papers, and his
leisure hours are full of interviews. But the
younger Don is generally less occupied and more enthusiastic;
and best of all is the elderly Don, who is beginning
to take things more easily, has a knowledge of men,
a philosophy and a good-humoured tolerance which makes
him more accessible. He is not in a hurry, he
is not preoccupied. He studies the daily papers
with deliberation, and he has just enough duties to
make him feel wholesomely busy. His ambitions
are things of the past, and he is gratified by attention
and deference.
I suppose the same is the case, in
a certain degree, all the world over. But the
truth about conversation is that, to make anything
of it, people must realize it as a definite mental
occupation, and not merely a dribbling into words
of casual thoughts. To do it well implies a certain
deliberate intention, a certain unselfishness, a certain
zest. The difficulty is that it demands a catholicity
of interests, a full mind. Yet it does not do
to have a subject on the brain, and to introduce it
into all companies. The pity is that conversation
is not more recognized as a definite accomplishment.
People who care about the success of social gatherings
are apt to invite an instrumentalist or a singer,
or a man with what may be called parlour tricks; but
few people are equally careful to plant out two or
three conversationalists among their parties, or to
take care that their conversationalists are provided
with a sympathetic background.
For the fact remains that conversation
is a real art, and depends like all other arts upon
congenial circumstances and suitable surroundings.
People are too apt to believe that, because they have
interests in their minds and can put those interests
into words, they are equipped for the pretty and delicate
game of talk. But a rare admixture of qualities
is needed, and a subtle conversational effect, a sudden
fancy, that throws a charming or a bizarre light on
a subject, a power of pleasing metaphorical expression,
the communication of an imaginative interest to a
familiar topic - all these things are of the
nature of instinctive art. I have heard well-informed
and sensible people talk of a subject in a way that
made me feel that I desired never to hear it mentioned
again; but I have heard, on the other hand, people
talk of matters which I had believed to be worn threadbare
by use, and yet communicate a rich colour, a fragrant
sentiment to them, which made me feel that I had never
thought adequately on the topic before. One should
be careful, I think, to express to such persons one’s
appreciation and admiration of their gifts, for the
art is so rare that we ought to welcome it when we
find it; and, like all arts, it depends to a great
extent for its sustenance on the avowed gratitude
of those who enjoy it. It is on these subtle half-toned
glimpses of personality and difference that most of
our happy impressions of life depend; and no one can
afford wilfully to neglect sources of innocent joy,
or to lose opportunities of pleasure through a stupid
or brutal contempt for the slender resources out of
which these gentle effects are produced.