WASHINGTON, WEDNESDAY, February 6th, 1861.
The Conference met at twelve o’clock,
at noon, and was called to order by the PRESIDENT.
The Journal of yesterday was read,
and after amendment, was approved.
Mr. SUMMERS: I am instructed
by the Committee on Credentials to make a report.
That committee has examined the credentials which have
been submitted to it, and finds the following-named
gentlemen duly accredited as members of this Conference:
New Hampshire. Amos
Tuck, Levi Chamberlain, Asa Fowler.
Vermont. Hiland
Hall, Lucius E. Chittenden, Levi Underwood, H. Henry
Baxter, B.D. Harris.
Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. Samuel
Ames, Alexander Duncan, William W. Hoppin, George
H. Browne, Samuel G. Arnold.
Connecticut. Roger
S. Baldwin, Chauncey F. Cleveland, Charles J. McCurdy,
James T. Pratt, Robbins Battell, Amos S. Treat.
New Jersey. Charles
S. Olden, Peter D. Vroom, Robert F. Stockton, Benjamin
Williamson, Joseph F. Randolph, Frederick T. Frelinghuysen,
Rodman M. Price, William C. Alexander, Thomas J. Stryker.
Pennsylvania. Thomas
White, James Pollock, William M. Meredith, David Wilmot,
A.W. Loomis, Thomas E. Franklin, William McKennan.
Delaware. George
B. Rodney, Daniel M. Bates, Henry Ridgely, John W.
Houston, William Cannon.
Maryland. John F.
Dent, Reverdy Johnson, John W. Crisfield, Augustus
W. Bradford, William T. Goldsborough, J. Dixon Roman,
Benjamin C. Howard.
Virginia. John Tyler,
William C. Rives, John W. Brockenbrough, George W.
Summers, James A. Seddon.
North Carolina. George
Davis, Thomas Ruffin, David S. Reid, Daniel M. Barringer,
J.M. Morehead.
Kentucky. William
O. Butler, James B. Clay, Joshua F. Bell, Charles
S. Morehead, James Guthrie, Charles A. Wickliffe.
Ohio. John C. Wright,
Salmon P. Chase, William S. Groesbeck, Franklin C.
Backus, Reuben Hitchcock, Thomas Ewing, Valentine B.
Horton.
Indiana. Caleb B.
Smith, Pleasant A. Hackleman, Godlove S. Orth, E.W.H.
Ellis, Thomas C. Slaughter.
Iowa. James W. Grimes,
Samuel H. Curtis, William Vandever.
Mr. WICKLIFFE: I move that
the Secretary be authorized to employ one or more
assistants. I am advised that the Secretary cannot
perform his duties without assistance, and I see no
objection to giving him this authority.
The motion of Mr. WICKLIFFE was agreed to.
Mr. WICKLIFFE: I now desire
to call up the remaining portion of the report of
the Committee on Rules and Organization, and to move
its adoption at the present time. These Rules
are substantially the same as those which were adopted
by the convention which proposed our present Constitution.
The rule which we have reported securing secrecy,
so far as our proceedings are concerned, has been made
the subject of much discussion in the committee; and
it was at first thought best to recommend a modification
of it. But upon reflection and consideration,
and in view of the fact that, while the rule reported
requires that secrecy should be preserved in regard
to all that is said or done in this Conference, it
does not prevent any member from expressing his own
hopes or predictions upon the final result of our
deliberations, we have thought best to let it remain
as it is.
Mr. SEDDON: I desire to
offer an amendment to this portion of the report of
the committee, which I will read for the information
of the Conference. It is as follows:
“Resolved, That no part
of the Journal be published without the order
or leave of the Conference, and that no copies
of the whole or any part be furnished or allowed,
except to members, who shall be privileged to
communicate the same to the authorities or deliberative
assemblies of their respective States, when deemed
judicious or appropriate, under their instructions,
and that nothing spoken in the House be printed
or otherwise published; but private communications
respecting the proceedings and debates, while
recommended to be with caution and reserve, are
allowed at the discretion of each member.”
It may be thought, that in offering
this resolution, I am seeking a different end from
the one I proposed yesterday, when I advocated the
proposition of excluding reporters from our sessions,
and insisted that our proceedings should be at all
times under the seal of secrecy. Such, however,
is not my purpose. But some discretion must be
allowed us, in order that we may conform to and carry
out the spirit of the resolutions under which we respectively
act. This is especially true in relation to myself
and my colleagues. The resolutions under which
we are acting, require that we should from time to
time communicate to the legislature of Virginia the
proceedings of this body, and to express our own opinions
of the prospect which may exist of the settlement
of existing difficulties. The Commissioners from
Virginia would be placed in a delicate, not to say
an awkward position, by the adoption of a rule here
which would absolutely prohibit such communications.
I hope my amendment may be adopted.
Mr. TUCK: Would not the
purpose of the gentleman from Virginia be answered
by giving any delegation leave to communicate any action
actually taken by the Conference, with their own opinions
as to the probable result of our deliberations?
Mr. SEDDON: Those opinions
would possess no value, unless the facts and circumstances
are communicated upon which they are founded.
It is very clear to me, that the best course will
be to entrust to the discretion of each member the
privilege of making these communications, trusting
that he will not abuse the confidence thus given.
Mr. WICKLIFFE: I hope we
have all come here with an earnest desire to harmonize
our conflicting opinions, and to unite upon some plan
which will settle our troubles and save the union
of the States. The South has spoken of the North
in very severe terms, and the North has not been slow
in returning the compliment. If we come finally,
to any definite result satisfactory to either side,
it must be by mutual concessions, by confessing our
sins to each other, and endeavoring to live harmoniously
together in future. In my judgment, secrecy is
absolutely indispensable to successful action here.
I do not wish to be precluded from abandoning a position
to-morrow, if I see cause for it, which I have taken
to-day. If the proceedings, and especially the
debates of this Conference, are made public from day
to day, they will go into the newspapers and be made
the subject of comment, favorable or otherwise.
The necessary result will be, that when a member is
understood to have committed himself to a particular
proposition, or any special course of policy, that
pride of opinion, which we all possess, will render
any change of policy on his part difficult, if not
impossible. I should sincerely regret the adoption
of the resolution of the gentleman from Virginia.
Mr. RANDOLPH: I move that
the portion of the committee’s report under
consideration, together with the resolution of Mr.
SEDDON, be recommitted to the Committee on Rules and
Organization.
The motion of Mr. RANDOLPH was agreed to.
Mr. GUTHRIE: I have an
idea relating to the plan which should be adopted
to carry into effect the purpose of this Conference.
I wish to propose it. We have come together upon
the invitation of the glorious old commonwealth of
Virginia, the mother of States and Statesmen.
We have come from the North and the South, from the
East and the West, to see whether our wisdom can devise
some means to avert the dangers which threaten to
destroy this noble Republic, founded by the wisdom
and patriotism of our ancestors. I hope we are
animated by a common purpose. The storm is threatening.
The horizon is covered with dark and portentous clouds.
Section is arrayed against section, and already seven
of our sister States have separated from us and are
proceeding to establish an independent Confederation.
War! Civil War! is impending over us. It
must be averted! Who does not know that such a
war, among such a people, must be, if it comes, a war
of extermination.
Mr. PRESIDENT, I move the adoption
of the resolution which I now send to the chair.
The resolution of Mr. GUTHRIE was read as follows:
Resolved, That a committee of
one from each State be appointed by the Commissioners
thereof, to be nominated to the President, and
to be appointed by him, to whom shall be referred
the resolutions of the State of Virginia, and the
other States represented, and all propositions
for the adjustment of existing difficulties between
States, with authority to report what they may
deem right, necessary, and proper to restore
harmony and preserve the Union, and that they
report on or before Friday next.
Mr. SEDDON: It appears
to me that the mode pointed out by the resolution
introduced by the gentleman from Kentucky, is neither
the one most appropriate nor expeditious for accomplishing
the result desired. We are convened under the
invitation of the State of Virginia; and the same
invitation that brings us here, proposes the basis
for our deliberation and action. Virginia has
stated what will be satisfactory to her; not as an
ultimatum, but as a basis of adjustment.
It appears to me that the proper course would be, to
take up the propositions of Virginia propose
amendments to them discuss them, and in
the end determine how far they shall be adopted.
The adoption of the resolution proposed, transfers
the labors of this Conference, not in itself too large
for convenient deliberation, to a committee.
That committee is to discuss the various propositions
offered and report the result. What, in the mean
time, is this Conference to do? Nothing whatever!
We are to meet here from day to day and adjourn, no
one knows how long, until this committee reports,
and then the discussion will commence which ought to
commence now. Mr. PRESIDENT, if any thing is
accomplished, it must be accomplished speedily.
Events are on the wing. Already in my State the
delegates are elected to a Convention, which is to
meet next week, to consider the subject which now
engrosses the minds of the American people. I
hope my suggestion may meet with favor in the Conference.
Mr. EWING: I cannot agree
with the gentleman from Virginia, for reasons which
must be obvious to all. I do not think Virginia
intended to dictate the terms upon which we were to
act. I am in favor of the resolution, but would
make one suggestion in relation to it. By its
terms the committee is to report on Friday, if it can
properly do so. I suggest that the committee
should have leave to sit during the sessions of the
Conference. In this way our business may be greatly
expedited.
Mr. GUTHRIE: It gives me
pleasure to accept the modification proposed by the
gentleman from Ohio. I should have incorporated
it into my resolution.
The resolution as modified was then
adopted by the Conference without a division.
The PRESIDENT: I will take
this occasion to announce a committee to carry into
effect the determination of the Conference relating
to the obtaining of the services of clergymen to open
the proceedings of the Conference daily with prayer.
The Chair appoints as such committee, Mr. RANDOLPH,
of New Jersey, Mr. WICKLIFFE, of Kentucky, and Mr.
JOHNSON, of Maryland.
Mr. JOHNSON: It appears
to me very appropriate, in view of the occasion which
has brought us together, that the members of this
Conference should pay their respects in a body to the
President of the United States. I therefore move
that we call upon him in a body at such a time as
will be most agreeable to him; such time to be ascertained
by the President of this Conference.
Which motion was unanimously agreed to.
Mr. CLAY: I move the reconsideration
of the vote by which the portion of the report of
the Committee on Rules and Organization not yet adopted
was recommitted to that committee. I do this in
order that the Conference may now proceed to the consideration
of those rules which may be adopted without much difference
of opinion.
The vote was thereupon reconsidered,
and the following rules were severally read and adopted.
The remaining rules recommended were recommitted to
the committee:
RULES.
I. A Convention to do business, shall
consist of the Commissioners of not less than seven
States; and all questions shall be decided by the
greater number of those which be fully represented.
But a less number than seven may adjourn from day
to day.
II. Immediately after the President
shall have taken the chair, and the members their
seats, the minutes of the preceding day shall be read
by the Secretary.
III. Every member, rising to
speak, shall address the President; and while he shall
be speaking none shall pass between them, or hold
discourse with another, or read a book, pamphlet, or
paper, printed or manuscript; and of two members rising
to speak at the same time, the President shall name
him who shall first be heard.
IV. A member shall not speak
oftener than twice, without special leave upon the
same question; and not a second time before every other
who had been silent shall have been heard, if he choose
to speak upon the subject.
V. A motion made and seconded, shall
be repeated; and if written, as it shall be when any
member shall so require, read aloud by the Secretary
before it shall be debated; and may be withdrawn at
any time before the vote upon it shall have been declared.
VI. Orders of the day shall be
read next after the minutes, and either discussed
or postponed, before any other business shall be introduced.
VII. When a debate shall arise
upon a question, no motion, other than to amend the
question, to commit it, or to postpone the debate,
shall be received.
VIII. A question which is complicated,
shall, at the request of any member, be divided and
put separately upon the propositions of which it is
compounded.
IX. A writing which contains
any matter brought on to be considered, shall be read
once, throughout, for information; then by paragraphs,
to be debated, and again with the amendments, if any,
made on the second reading, and afterwards the question
shall be put upon the whole, as amended or approved
in the original form, as the case may be.
X. Committees shall be appointed by
the President, unless otherwise ordered by the Convention.
XI. A member may be called to
order by another member, as well as by the President,
and may be allowed to explain his conduct or expressions
supposed to be reprehensible. And all questions
of order shall be decided by the President, without
appeal or debate.
XII. Upon a question to adjourn
for the day, which may be made at any time, if it
be seconded, the question shall be put without debate.
XIII. When the Convention shall
adjourn, every member shall stand in his place until
the President pass him.
XIV. That no member be absent
from the Convention, so as to interrupt the representation
of the State, without leave.
XV. That Committees do not sit
while the Convention shall be, or ought to be sitting,
without leave of the Convention.
XVI. That no copy be taken of
any entry on the Journal, during the sitting of the
Convention, without leave of the Convention.
XVII. That members only be permitted
to inspect the Journal.
XVIII. Mode of Voting. All
votes shall be taken by States, and each State to
give one vote. The yeas and nays of the members
shall not be given or published only the
decision by States.
After the adoption of the foregoing
Rules, the Conference adjourned until 10 o’clock
to-morrow morning.